i knew this family for years

[dorothytiedenberg]

there are things i know that bonnies blog wont let me say in the other page so i will say them here. what i will say is true and legal. why did you turn me into the police for this?

the neighbors of the starks saw the violence that man gave to her and the little boy. i blieve the bws defense this woman gives. dale stark was know to be mean to his wife but in one second turn around to laugh and be nice to neighbors. we thought there was something wrong there in that house. so much yelling. broken things all the time and i saw him ruin the inside of the house from my window in a rage. she ran with the boy to myrnas house and they had blood on them. myrna said shellye called 911 and then dale ran to the car and went missing for a week.

i saw him cheat on here at that house when she was gone with the boy. he would take all kinds of women in the house and come out in no time and drive them away. i know what i saw.

i asked her once if she was ok but she said yes and walked away with an excuse to leave. that man was evil to her. she ran out of the house alot to the car to escape with the boy and she drove away safe every time. thank god i would pray for them.

we always thought she would be the one dead in there marriage. she had half her face bruise and swollen for almost a month. no one is ok like that. we all hated him. my husband would of done something about him on his own if he werent so sick at the time. im glad shes the one alive.

she was with child in 1995 and they moved away. where is this child and why do they say there is only one? i saw her at the store after they moved and the baby was almost due. where is this child? i know for fact that there should be two.

dose anyone know?

[dorothytiedenberg]

your disrespectful tone isnt needed. i read bonnies blog and i can see how you attack eveyrone who doesnt agree with you and say they are brain moore. theres a old saying that says "if you dont like the message you attack the messenger". i guess its ok in you mind to do this because you dont like what i have to say. for your infromation the police know about all this. i did try to help her. i tried more then once. the police were called. you think you know it all but you dont. i knew these people for a long time but i didnt say we were close. you made that up. i think you never even layed eyes on either one of these people. what do you care? you are all wrapped up in brain moore this and brain moore that. i was in the courtroom to support shellye and i heard the attorney say brain moore isnt even going to be a witness. there goes your theory mister. i saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears.

you dont dare judge me! i dont owe you any explanation of how i spend my time or how i am with my nieghbors. theres only so much people can do when you see stuff like what i saw. the police were called to that house alot because i saw the police cars. what did you see? i bet yousaw nothing. i think you hate this brain moore so bad you are obsessed. i read what you write. this is about dale stark you lunatic! this is about how he treated his wife like less then a animal. you have nothing to say about that because you dont know squat about these people. i do!

youre questions are as stupid as you. you just go ahead and ignore what really matters. i believe shellye stark. i saw it! how do you know dale stark doesnt have a rap sheet a mile long for domestic violence? you dont but you dont care anyway. you and youre friends make me sick.

her baby died just so you know. i asked around and learned for those who care. shellye stark was with child due in couple months and the baby died the day it was born. it came early and didnt make it. i heard it happened the next year to. maybe your brain moore did this to? you probably think now she took her own almost born babys to? hasnt this woman gone through enough? a woman just doesnt have two babys come early after that far along. theres something wrong with that i believe.

im glad at what happened. dale stark was cruel and down right evil. i know it becuase i saw it! shellye if you read this it was me in the courtroom. i dont know if you seen me. i moved in with my daughter in 1999 after my husband passed but you know her number it is the same number in post falls. i will be back to court to support you during your trial. god bless.

[xqqqsme]

Again...it's obvious that this is another false attempt to smear Dale and try to convince people that Shellye was justified in her actions. I don't for one second believe that the person posting is someone named "Dorothy". Maybe Dorothy exists but the person posting isn't her. Simply from the tone, the language used, the spelling errors and more, it is not indicative of a 70 year old elderly woman.

Not to mention the same useless and also false argument that every "fake" poster has made that they have read through the blog and seen that anyone who posts an opposing opinion gets attacked and accused of being Brian Moore. This is not true. Many people who are interested in this case but who don't know the parties or have personal information have posed questions as to whether there is the possibility that this was justified or that maybe there were reasons why certain things happened the way they did. Those people weren't attacked or accused of being someone else. Their posts were responded to by people who do know the parties and know facts as to why they feel this was not justified. It's that simple. The people who get so-called "attacked" are the same people or person who continuously posts trying to plead Shellye's case by making up fake scenarios by supposed witnesses to events that have never been corroborated by tangible proof, via police reports, hospital records, etc. If "Dorothy" was real and as concerned as she says I don't see why she would even waste her time trying to convince people on this blog, who are clearly for Dale not Shellye, that Shellye was justified.

And since Dorothy has already been to Shellye's court hearings I don't know why she wouldn't be offering her testimony to the defense team when I'm sure they would love to have witnesses that can validate Shellye's unsubstantiated claims that she was so abused by Dale. But clearly Dorothy simply stated she would be there in court to support Shellye, nothing mentioned about testifying, just observing. So no you are not believable or credible by any means and I really could care less if you feel attacked or disrespected. In fact I actually hope you do because regardless of whether you're really Dorothy or not, anyone who would say they are "glad" about what happened doesn't deserve respect from anyone and that is exactly why nobody has a shred of respect for Brian Moore or Shellye Stark. Play your little games with someone who gives a crap because nobody here is buying it!!!

[dorothytiedenberg]

both of you who have replied keep talking about brain moore. i dont want to talk about him. i dont know anything about this person. all i know is his name was brung up in court and you people always talk about him. i dont defend him at all. i said what i seen and heard and you can take it for what its worth. i dont care because it is clear that the attornys dont want him as a witness and i care about what is important. if they dont care why should yuou? and if they dont care may be you could talk about the important stuff if you want justice for that man then you should be talking about the important stuff which is why i write what i know.

i am not a witness in the trial. if i was a witness i couldnt go to the hearing becuase it is a rule that has a sign on the door. i dont know why im not a witness but the important people know what i know and they knew it before i even talked to anybody. i guess they got enough without me but i dont know.

i read this place all the time for a long time. it isnt fair what you do here to shellye. it isnt right at all. you dont hardly even talk about her but when you do it is evil then you say you dont even know her. i do! i know her a long time! i write about what is important not some guy i dont know. its important that people know she tells the truth about dale! you dont even care that it is the truth!

it makes me sick at what you do to shellye and to the people who come here to defend her. i didnt talk about brain moore you did! i dont even ever want to talk about him becuawse hes not important to the attorneys. stop bringing him up to me please. every person who defends shellye you say is this man. how wrong you are! these are people who know her and there words are more important than your because you dont even know dale or shellye. i am not shellye either. how can i be two people at once? you must face it that there are people who know shellye and more than you and its no coinsidence that they all have a different opinon than you. i will always defend what i know and what i know is that dale was a wife beater and cheater and shellye was only nice and sweet.

why dont you people talk about what is important to the attorneys and the court?

then you say how can i say im glad hes the one who is dead and not shellye but you say shes guilty and should spend the rest of her life in jail. how much sense does that make? none. i tell it like it is to and if you dont like it then tough. he was horrible to her. he was evil! i seen it!

i believe anything she says happened. it makes sense to me. i believe he made her be a hooker and i know he controled that poor woman becuase i seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. that woman went to school and did two jobs while raising that boy and that lazy bastard gambled at the casino and cheated on her. he didnt have work the whole time i knew them. she is too sweet and good to do anything to hurt anybody. theres no way she can be guilty and i know her. i feel so bad for her. she has gone through too much in her life and i pray for her. nobody deserrves what he did to her and what happened with her babys. she doesnt deserve to be wrote about as a bad person because she isnt.

shellye used to stay to herself but would help neighbors do things when they needed help like shovel snow or mow lawn. she wouldnt even ask just do it and smile when she was done as she walked away. what a good mother she was! that boy was her life! she was so quiet. she would just take what he did to her she never fight back. she would just take it or escape. poor thing. i always watched because i worried so much and there was plenty of reason to worry.
we all wanted and waited for them to divorce and im surprised it took so long myself. i was sad to see her move away because i couldnt watch out for her like i was anymore.

i want to say to shellye that there are people who know you and believe you! the people who know you know you couldnt do this. the people who knew dale know he was mean to you. i pray for you every day and will be there to support you. god has a plan and look to him for help. there are good people in this world who will do gods work for you. i know you and i know your innocent!

[cecil]

I am a bit unfamiliar with the details of this case, but I would like to hear more about Dorothy's story. Ma'am, it is a pleasure to meet you. I am appalled at the lack of respect that young people have these days, and I would just like to say that I believe you.

[cecil]

Oh...Ms. Dorothy, I must apologize for not addressing you properly by your last name. I cannot make out the letters of your last name and I cannot find my reading glasses. How would you prefer I address you, ma'am? I go by "Cecil". I am 32. Going on 33... I won't ask your age, as it is not polite. Does not matter to me any way. My wife died some time ago, and I the war took my only son away from me. Though I'm still a young fella, I believe in old-fashioned values. I do not care for the disrespect you are being shown here in this forum. Please, tell me more about your story.

[xqqqsme]

First of all you need to stop getting it twisted. I didn’t say that you said you were glad Dale died and not Shellye. You said you were glad about what happened and I think anyone who would express being glad over someone losing their life is pretty sick and demented. Especially considering your gladness is solely based off your spying on your neighbors and not anything that Dale ever did to you personally. I’m glad you’re elderly because if you had youth and strength on your side you’d have a lot of potential as a serial killer.

Now, you said you read this blog all the time and for a long time. It seems pretty odd that you would wait all this time before actually posting anything, not to mention you barely registered on this site about 6 days ago, the day of your first post. I think it’s strange how you describe seeing all of these incidents occur over an extended period of time. You claim that it was no secret that Dale continuously abused Shellye and that the whole neighborhood knew. On many occasions Shellye could be seen fleeing from the home with her son in order to escape the abuse. I have many problems with the credibility of this story. First being that you aren’t being called as a witness. I find it hard to believe that the defense would not find your testimony to be invaluable as supporting evidence to the years of abuse Shellye claims she had to endure. Especially since it appears that Dale and Shellye became experts at keeping their domestic violence, that was so obvious in your neighborhood, a total secret from the Washington neighborhood they lived in. Neighbors interviewed there stated that Dale and Shellye were a quiet couple who never caused any problems. Neighbors were actually rather shocked as they said there had been no indications there were any problems in that household. But I guess the defense just doesn’t see the need to lay any foundation to the Battered Woman Syndrome defense because if they did I would think that an elderly 70 year old woman who was a neighbor for years would make an excellent and extremely credible witness for the jury to hear. But what do I know? Apparently I’d make a horrible defense attorney. I also have a question for you. You claim that you saw all this happen and that you were always watching over there to make sure Shellye was okay. You said you never called the police and I’ll take a guess that you never contacted Child Protective Services to make sure the child was safe either. If you were so concerned, why was that concern not great enough to call and get them help? You were apparently so concerned to have developed feelings of gladness to hear that Dale had been killed by Shellye but not concerned enough to make any phone calls years ago to get authorities involved which potentially could have prevented this whole situation from even getting to this point. Sounds to me like you weren’t concerned with their safety as much as you were concerned about being a nosy, gossiping, busybody neighbor.

As for Brian Moore, you say you don’t want to discuss him and people should only be focusing on Dale and Shellye, but he put himself right in the thick of this case when he testified by declaration that Dale had been making threats to Shellye and himself. He wrote the declaration supporting Shellye’s request to the court for the restraining order. He created the Freeshellye website to promote Shellye’s innocence and raise money for her defense. He has made several statements to the press in Washington and harassed just about every single person that is connected to this case. If he didn’t want to be focused on, he should’ve kept his lying, cheating, sociopathic lard butt out of it. It’s his own fault and now he can reap what he’s sown. I saw you mentioned that the defense doesn’t even have an interest in Brian testifying. Considering that he’s the one whose supporting declaration helped in Shellye obtaining the restraining order and he’s the only witness to the supposed death threats that Dale had made over the phone toward Shellye and Brian, I find this to be even more ludicrous than the defense not caring about the testimony of a neighbor who claims to have witnessed abuse. I’ll make sure to take note of the defense attorney’s names so if I’m ever in trouble I know who NOT to hire. I’m really interested to see how the defense is going to make the BWS defense work. Especially when Brian stated in his declaration that he has a degree in psychology and has years of experience dealing with victims and perpetrators of domestic violence and could easily recognize Dale as being a textbook predator while recognizing that Shellye was a textbook example of a victim. He then goes on to say that “was” is the key word there since Shellye worked very hard to take control of her life and no longer be under Dale’s control. Supposedly this loss of control over Shellye is what made Dale snap and start threatening her life. So in Brian’s expert analysis, Shellye was NOT a victim and had CONTROL of her own life. So she was in control over whether or not she was a prostitute just like she was in control over deciding to sit at that house with a 357 in her waistband until Dale came home instead of doing what normal rational people do and let the police handle it.

So you go ahead and keep on responding and I’ll keep laughing at your pathetic attempts to convince people of things they know aren’t true. On second thought, if you want to be part of Shellye’s fan club why don’t you go do it on a site that’s devoted to her…freeshellye.com. At this point I am finished addressing Sybil…the person formerly known as Brian Moore. As for Cecil, I’m not even going to bother addressing someone who comes on here saying they know nothing about this case but chooses to believe information from the one person whose story differs from numerous others. I believe I read that you lost a son in the war and I am very sorry for that but that statement has me wondering…if you are a young man of 32, going on 33, how old were you when your son was born…14? That’s all I have for now. I’m sure there will be plenty of humorous responses for me to reply to later.

[dorothytiedenberg]

you can see me at this trial supporting shellye. i will be there. you can pretend your sherlock homes all you want. i dont care.

[xqqqsme]

Just like you can go on pretending to be a seventy year old lady, an ex-marine special ops sniper, a CIA operative, a widower, a college grad with a degree in psychology, a competent paralegal...the list goes on. Don't worry, I'll be looking for you at the trial because I will definitely be there. Although I have to say that seeing Brian Moore dressed in drag like a seventy year old lady will probably scar and traumatize me for life.

[Bonnie Kernene]

Dorothy,

It is not that I would not let you say those things, however, your IP address was suspect and turned over to law enforcement for investigation, along with several other posts FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS but with different names and email addresses. Lady, I am not stupid. And neither are the IT guys checking it out.

[Bonnie Kernene]

Jan 26, 2009 8:56:57 GMT -5 dorothytiedenberg said:

her baby died just so you know. i asked around and learned for those who care. shellye stark was with child due in couple months and the baby died the day it was born. it came early and didnt make it. i heard it happened the next year to. maybe your brain moore did this to? you probably think now she took her own almost born babys to? hasnt this woman gone through enough? a woman just doesnt have two babys come early after that far along. theres something wrong with that i believe.

im glad at what happened. dale stark was cruel and down right evil. i know it becuase i saw it! shellye if you read this it was me in the courtroom. i dont know if you seen me. i moved in with my daughter in 1999 after my husband passed but you know her number it is the same number in post falls. i will be back to court to support you during your trial. god bless.

Dorothy,
These are the kind of remarks that I DO NOT allow on my blog, nor do I allow them here. Being happy that someone was murdered makes YOU evil as well. It would be interesting to see how you would act if it was your loved one who was murdered. You are just as sociopathic as the murderer. You have absolutely no compassion for the victim (that would be Dale, not Shellye) or the victim's loved ones.

You keep saying that Shellye was pregnant and lost the baby. You actually insinuate that Dale caused her to lose the baby. How do you know this FOR A FACT? Not just a guess or someone along the way told you. SCIENTIFIC LEGAL FACTS. Prove it. Until you actually prove it, I call you an EVIL LIAR and I hope you rot in hell for being the evil sociopath you are, to find glee in someone's murder. I don't care if (and that is a huge IF) you are this 70 year old woman. Since all of your posts have been sent to the police, they will know.

[Bonnie Kernene]

Jan 29, 2009 2:26:25 GMT -5 xqqqsme said:

Just like you can go on pretending to be a seventy year old lady, an ex-marine special ops sniper, a CIA operative, a widower, a college grad with a degree in psychology, a competent paralegal...the list goes on. Don't worry, I'll be looking for you at the trial because I will definitely be there. Although I have to say that seeing Brian Moore dressed in drag like a seventy year old lady will probably scar and traumatize me for life.

Yeah, I would be traumatized too! Since you will be at the trial, please update us as to who is in the courtroom, especially any 70 year old "woman"

[deeznutz]

Feb 14, 2009 15:11:15 GMT -5 Bonnie Kernene said:

Jan 26, 2009 8:56:57 GMT -5 dorothytiedenberg said:

her baby died just so you know. i asked around and learned for those who care. shellye stark was with child due in couple months and the baby died the day it was born. it came early and didnt make it. i heard it happened the next year to. maybe your brain moore did this to? you probably think now she took her own almost born babys to? hasnt this woman gone through enough? a woman just doesnt have two babys come early after that far along. theres something wrong with that i believe.

im glad at what happened. dale stark was cruel and down right evil. i know it becuase i saw it! shellye if you read this it was me in the courtroom. i dont know if you seen me. i moved in with my daughter in 1999 after my husband passed but you know her number it is the same number in post falls. i will be back to court to support you during your trial. god bless.

Dorothy,
These are the kind of remarks that I DO NOT allow on my blog, nor do I allow them here. Being happy that someone was murdered makes YOU evil as well. It would be interesting to see how you would act if it was your loved one who was murdered. You are just as sociopathic as the murderer. You have absolutely no compassion for the victim (that would be Dale, not Shellye) or the victim's loved ones.

You keep saying that Shellye was pregnant and lost the baby. You actually insinuate that Dale caused her to lose the baby. How do you know this FOR A FACT? Not just a guess or someone along the way told you. SCIENTIFIC LEGAL FACTS. Prove it. Until you actually prove it, I call you an EVIL LIAR and I hope you rot in hell for being the evil sociopath you are, to find glee in someone's murder. I don't care if (and that is a huge IF) you are this 70 year old woman. Since all of your posts have been sent to the police, they will know.

[deeznutz]

It's crazy right I just got out of prison doing 8yrs n I just seen this movie for the first time. I hope that the faggits that did this to this kid get rape everyday in jail until they die of aids. ??