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Post by Wyn on May 25, 2008 13:19:02 GMT -5
Exactly what I was thinking. And a good morning to you, RPD. Not to mention the civil issues she and the rafter will face when the Fisher's sue them for liable and slander. Wonder if he'll settle to avoid further bad publicity for his business, or if he'll let them take him to trial? He seems to have a self destructive personality but would he willing go down in flames for a murderer?
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Post by petulant on May 25, 2008 14:21:19 GMT -5
Not to mention the civil issues she and the rafter will face when the Fisher's sue them for liable and slander. Wonder if he'll settle to avoid further bad publicity for his business, or if he'll let them take him to trial? He seems to have a self destructive personality but would he willing go down in flames for a murderer? I have a feeling his ego is as big or bigger than Jason's. He thinks he's above the law and is twisted enough to believe the horrible things he's posted.
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Post by janetruth on May 26, 2008 12:33:26 GMT -5
We discuss this case, and others, individually, but they are really part of a pattern that seems to be developing.
These young men who kill their wives, or cause them to disappear, do not come from deprived or depraved backgrounds. They are raised by folks like you and me. I can't believe there is suddenly some sort of genetic aberration causing this sense of entitlement and lack of conscience. There is something being done, or not done, by more-or-less normal parents that causes their sons to think that they are the cat's whiskers and a bag of chips. My feeling is that, until we figure out what behaviour is causing this phenomenon, it is only going to get worse. At best, it will take a generation or two to straighten out the problem.
Is there anyone posting here who might have some insight?
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 12:49:59 GMT -5
We discuss this case, and others, individually, but they are really part of a pattern that seems to be developing. These young men who kill their wives, or cause them to disappear, do not come from deprived or depraved backgrounds. They are raised by folks like you and me. I can't believe there is suddenly some sort of genetic aberration causing this sense of entitlement and lack of conscience. There is something being done, or not done, by more-or-less normal parents that causes their sons to think that they are the cat's whiskers and a bag of chips. My feeling is that, until we figure out what behaviour is causing this phenomenon, it is only going to get worse. At best, it will take a generation or two to straighten out the problem. Is there anyone posting here who might have some insight? Hi, JT. I'm not sure I have any insight, but you raise a good question. What has happened in recent generations, that they feel life is expendable? OK, so there was that pesky Cain & Abel way back in the day, if you're a believer, so murder has been around since the caveman, I suppose. The "normal" parents of today raise their children to believe they can be whatever they want to be when they grow up. Nice thought, but we know better. Things don't always go as planned. A lot of short cuts are out there to get where you think you ought to be. Murdering someone who stands in the way seems to be an option for some. Add to all that, the "toys" children are given these days. Video games where the end result is you are the victor, by whatever means. Many are violent. Whatever happened to "Pong"? Even Ms Pacman can be compared to a black widow, what with how she goes after her prey and gobbles them up. TV shows and even cartoons are pretty violent in nature. There's just not enough Fred Rogers and too much CSI. Parents seem to be more lenient with their children. They want them to have everything they never had. Oftentimes it's handed to them on a silver platter, lest they throw a temper tantrum and be embarrassed somehow. Now I'm sounding preachy, but those are some thoughts I have on the subject.
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 13:05:26 GMT -5
Oh, and another thing - you can see the results of some parenting right here. Recently someone came to attack, playing stupid for effect, I suppose, but definitely not to discuss the case. When things didn't go as planned, they picked up their marbles and went home, pouting and whining all the way out the door. I sure hope they didn't murder someone because I wasn't playing pong their way.
Did Jason Lynn Young get so upset with Michelle because she wouldn't play the game of life his way, that he murdered her in a violent rage? I think he did.
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 13:38:26 GMT -5
Cardinal sean, is that you in "the shadow" chipping away at my karma? gojoKe? don't you worry about a little thing called "doubt" - by the time the DA presents its case, your little buddy will be begging for mercy. And that, you befuddled old man, you can take to the bank!
And thanks to all who see me in a positive light. I just want to see the perp go down and the Fisher's find some justice. It won't bring Michelle and Rylan back, but hopefully it will help them to know that whoever caused their unending pain is paying for it.
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Post by janetruth on May 26, 2008 14:01:21 GMT -5
Good points, Petulant.
I somehow see part of the problem being that, to a huge degree, our children are being raised by people with no vested interest in them, or love for them.
With both parents in the workforce and all these sports and lessons we sign the kids up for, how much time are they really spending with Mom and Dad? In day care, they learn to be politically correct. They don't learn ethics. And many of the kids' sports organizations, such as Pop Warner football, and Little League baseball, emphasize winning. On paper, it looks as if they are trying to teach sportsmanship, but, in practice, winning becomes all at a very early age. Even in martial arts, they have the kids lined up for competition before the new is off their uniforms.
Parents do have a tendency to want to give their kids everything their own parents couldn't afford or had more sense than to give them. Especially when the guilt piles up over the long hours spent at work to pay for the McMansion.
We are certainly spoiling them. Added to the violent electronic games are the strange toys. "Bratz" dolls, pokemon; all of that.
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 14:35:04 GMT -5
Picture this:
Wake County Courthouse - June, 2009
DA approaches the witness (witness being the first to arrive on the scene)
DA - describe for us what happened on 11/3/06
Officer - It was the most horriffic thing I've ever seen in all my years in LE
(DA shows pictures of the brutally murdered Michelle to the jury)
DA - Tell us, in your own words, officer, how you came upon the scene
Officer - We received a 9-1-1 call from the victim's sister. She was called to the house on Birchleaf to do a favor for the victim's husband. Upon arrival, she found the scene you see in those photos and immediately phoned 9-1-1.
(DA plays the 9-1-1 call and the jury is horrified that Meredith was used to find her dead sister. They react to her controlled demeanor on the phone, knowing she was trying not to be hysterical with a 2 year old at her side. Tears well in their eyes)
Officer - Once at the scene and it was decided the murderer wasn't on the premises, we sealed off the crime scene and spoke with the victim's sister and her niece who had been left there to roam around for hours. We tried to contact the husband - the defendant sitting over there (points at Jason Lynn Young) but we were unable to make contact with him. Someone finally reached his step-father in Brevard and he was notified of the situation early afternoon.
DA - when did you speak to the defendant?
Officer - The clan traipsed in... OBJECTION
DA - rephrase, please
Officer - The Young family arrived back in Raleigh hours later and when we tried to speak to JASON LYNN YOUNG, MURDERING HUSBAND, he told us to talk to his attorney. We tried on numerous occasions to make contact, but with the same response.
And that is how the defendant, Jason Lynn Young, was condemned to death in a court of law in Wake County, NC.
The end.
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Post by janetruth on May 26, 2008 14:37:37 GMT -5
Except that they can't mention his lack of cooperation. The case will be thrown out if they do. IMO.
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 14:47:06 GMT -5
Good points, Petulant. I somehow see part of the problem being that, to a huge degree, our children are being raised by people with no vested interest in them, or love for them. With both parents in the workforce and all these sports and lessons we sign the kids up for, how much time are they really spending with Mom and Dad? In day care, they learn to be politically correct. They don't learn ethics. And many of the kids' sports organizations, such as Pop Warner football, and Little League baseball, emphasize winning. On paper, it looks as if they are trying to teach sportsmanship, but, in practice, winning becomes all at a very early age. Even in martial arts, they have the kids lined up for competition before the new is off their uniforms. Parents do have a tendency to want to give their kids everything their own parents couldn't afford or had more sense than to give them. Especially when the guilt piles up over the long hours spent at work to pay for the McMansion. We are certainly spoiling them. Added to the violent electronic games are the strange toys. "Bratz" dolls, pokemon; all of that. I can't argue with a thing you've written here. Thanks for the thought provoking question. I won't start on the divorce rate, pre-nups, bla bla bla - all added together, things most certainly aren't as they were back in the day. People have lost respect for human life. Look at how many babies are thrown away, even when the mother could leave it safely on a fire station step or ER.
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 14:49:16 GMT -5
Except that they can't mention his lack of cooperation. The case will be thrown out if they do. IMO. Whoops, I meant to say the officer said the defendant asserted his right to remain silent and there was no dialog.
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Post by janetruth on May 26, 2008 14:51:34 GMT -5
Except that they can't mention his lack of cooperation. The case will be thrown out if they do. IMO. Whoops, I meant to say the officer said the defendant asserted his right to remain silent and there was no dialog. I'm not sure they can even say that.
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Post by janetruth on May 26, 2008 14:58:44 GMT -5
Good points, Petulant. I somehow see part of the problem being that, to a huge degree, our children are being raised by people with no vested interest in them, or love for them. With both parents in the workforce and all these sports and lessons we sign the kids up for, how much time are they really spending with Mom and Dad? In day care, they learn to be politically correct. They don't learn ethics. And many of the kids' sports organizations, such as Pop Warner football, and Little League baseball, emphasize winning. On paper, it looks as if they are trying to teach sportsmanship, but, in practice, winning becomes all at a very early age. Even in martial arts, they have the kids lined up for competition before the new is off their uniforms. Parents do have a tendency to want to give their kids everything their own parents couldn't afford or had more sense than to give them. Especially when the guilt piles up over the long hours spent at work to pay for the McMansion. We are certainly spoiling them. Added to the violent electronic games are the strange toys. "Bratz" dolls, pokemon; all of that. I can't argue with a thing you've written here. Thanks for the thought provoking question. I won't start on the divorce rate, pre-nups, bla bla bla - all added together, things most certainly aren't as they were back in the day. People have lost respect for human life. Look at how many babies are thrown away, even when the mother could leave it safely on a fire station step or ER. Still. Huge changes have happened in society before this. This phenomenon is societally destructive. The ethic of "women and children first" is designed to preserve the species. This upsurge in killings of pregnant women is counter-productive to society as a whole. Empathy, or the ability to imagine ourselves in another's shoes, must be taught. Unless small children hear "how would you feel if somebody did that to you?" every time they hurt another living thing, they never will learn it. Obviously, these killers have a sense of entitlement. They feel that they are entitled to do what they want, and the wishes of others mean nothing.
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 15:07:16 GMT -5
Whoops, I meant to say the officer said the defendant asserted his right to remain silent and there was no dialog. I'm not sure they can even say that. ve haff our vays
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Post by petulant on May 26, 2008 15:13:06 GMT -5
Or this...
Officer - The Young family arrived back in Raleigh hours later and when we tried to speak to JASON LYNN YOUNG, MURDERING HUSBAND, he told us to talk to his attorney. We tried on numerous occasions to make contact, but with the same response.
Defense - OBJECTION!
Judge - sustained - please instruct your witness bla bla bla
Defense - MISTRIAL
Judge - that part of the testimony will be stricken from the record, but it's not enough for a mistrial. Please proceed - with caution!
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