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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 15:49:01 GMT -5
Looking at that pic you posted at scout's, I don't think your average driver could. The fasted safe speed I could do was about 30 mph. He ran off the road after the actual curve, still no way 40 mph at that point was possible w/o compromising safety. I think he told the trooper he was doing 40 mph, cause if he said he was doing the normal 25mph, it would likely be questioned how he could cross another lane and leave the road going that slow Did this result in a speeding ticket? My memory is kaput today!
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 15:49:55 GMT -5
I see what you see, especially the "camaraderie" between 2 parties. Funny, that - don't kat's eat birds? stay tuned! Petulant ! Thanks for the spelling correction, you won't believe how long I wrestled with that one before I posted LOL and still wrong ! You're welcome! I just hope I spelled it right ;D
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Post by Cardinal on May 24, 2008 15:54:15 GMT -5
from Cardinals' post: "And yes, I took exception to some comments made at IS about the LBLO, and I said so at the time. As for game playing, taunting and baiting, I think that's pretty much tit for tat." I disagree, it is far from "tit for tat". Maybe in the past, before the board was corrupted by K4Evil, Mimi and others but not now. Now, since we all are suppose to be on our best behavior, the JDI's abide by the rules (to avoid unfair banning) and the JII's have free reign. They attack sane, legitimate posts endlessly, and nothing is said to them. That is whats been happening in the recent days up to the closing. I have respected your posts there for the most part, but have noticed a comradary between you and one of the most evil (in my book) and also that you post on several other boards in an accusatory manner but say nothing to the idiots at IS for the obnoxious posts and attacks. Just my opinion as always If you're referring to Kat, yes, I feel differently about her than all of you. Probably because she treats me with respect, and I respond accordingly. And I could be wrong, but I think she genuinely believes Jason is innocent, and I absolutely support her right to believe that. I also call her on it when I disagree with something she says, and she would be the first one to tell you that. So, I've tried to explain - but I will not apologize for or defend my opinion of Kat. As for "several other boards", the only other board I've posted at, other than here and IS, is Scout's, a couple of times. And yes, the one night I posted there I was angry and accusatory. Not my finest moment, but I was tired of having the IS board shut down by the feud. I apologize if I was unfair to anyone. As for saying nothing to the JIIs at IS, you probably missed it because those posts (and occasionally entire threads) were deleted shortly after I posted them. All of that said, I feel no need to defend my posts here or anywhere; I stand by all of them. I know, Petulant and RPD - it isn't about me. But I didn't bring it up.
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Post by rpd on May 24, 2008 15:55:25 GMT -5
The fasted safe speed I could do was about 30 mph. He ran off the road after the actual curve, still no way 40 mph at that point was possible w/o compromising safety. I think he told the trooper he was doing 40 mph, cause if he said he was doing the normal 25mph, it would likely be questioned how he could cross another lane and leave the road going that slow Did this result in a speeding ticket? My memory is kaput today! I assume it was marked 25 mph in 2006 like it is today ? Even if not, the cop should have cited him 'exceeding safe speed' if he admitted to driving 40 mph.
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Post by janesdean on May 24, 2008 15:59:19 GMT -5
from Cardinals' post: "And yes, I took exception to some comments made at IS about the LBLO, and I said so at the time. As for game playing, taunting and baiting, I think that's pretty much tit for tat." I disagree, it is far from "tit for tat". Maybe in the past, before the board was corrupted by K4Evil, Mimi and others but not now. Now, since we all are suppose to be on our best behavior, the JDI's abide by the rules (to avoid unfair banning) and the JII's have free reign. They attack sane, legitimate posts endlessly, and nothing is said to them. That is whats been happening in the recent days up to the closing. I have respected your posts there for the most part, but have noticed a comradary between you and one of the most evil (in my book) and also that you post on several other boards in an accusatory manner but say nothing to the idiots at IS for the obnoxious posts and attacks. Just my opinion as always If you're referring to Kat, yes, I feel differently about her than all of you. Probably because she treats me with respect, and I respond accordingly. And I could be wrong, but I think she genuinely believes Jason is innocent, and I absolutely support her right to believe that. I also call her on it when I disagree with something she says, and she would be the first one to tell you that. So, I've tried to explain - but I will not apologize for or defend my opinion of Kat. As for "several other boards", the only other board I've posted at, other than here and IS, is Scout's, a couple of times. And yes, the one night I posted there I was angry and accusatory. Not my finest moment, but I was tired of having the IS board shut down by the feud. I apologize if I was unfair to anyone. As for saying nothing to the JIIs at IS, you probably missed it because those posts (and occasionally entire threads) were deleted shortly after I posted them. All of that said, I feel no need to defend my posts here or anywhere; I stand by all of them. I know, Petulant and RPD - it isn't about me. But I didn't bring it up. I am hardly asking you to defend your feeling for Kat, but you'd have to be blind not to see her baiting posts and fivers and mandy muttons, but you seem just to single out the posters who defend MICHELLE, and not the ones who bash her family. Your right, I did not see any posts you made except the accusatory ones to the JDI's and I have seen quite a few go by when you are posting and thought I'd comment about it.
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 16:13:43 GMT -5
I know, Petulant and RPD - it isn't about me. But I didn't bring it up. I've been doing my best to ignore you since you returned, but you keep trying to drag me into your nonsense. Please cease and desist.
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Post by janetruth on May 24, 2008 16:21:23 GMT -5
I snipped because I want to address just this point. One difference between the two boards is that IS is a corporate entity, with no stated leanings. Scout's board is Scout's. Her own rules and point of view apply. she is not obligated to present or allow a "fair and balanced" discussion. She opened it for case discussion in a troll-free environment. IOW, she vetts the registrations. Scout allows differences of opinion, as long as they are expressed with respect. She has sources she can't name or link, but who are quite believable. She is very fair. The one thing she will not tolerate is bashing of the Fishers. The only reason the IS trolls started that garbage was because they couldn't handle those of us who have followed quite a few of these "eraser" killings immediately zooming in on Jason as the probably perp. Statistically, he's the most likely, and, if you read up on some other cases, you will see the similarities that jump out at us, waving big red flags. The trolls, led by members of IUPG organizations, troll the boards, defending all these guys because it's their crusade to do so. The "insiders," with no other cases to compare, just want to defend their Jason. The whole thing against Meredith started with these people completely ignoring common sense and casting around for someone to attack, the same way (in their eyes) Jason was being attacked. Tit for tat. The differences (Meredith talking, Jason not, Meredith having nothing to gain, Jason having a lot, etc.) mean nothing to them. The idea was: Jason is under attack; let's find somebody else we can counterattack. It happened in the Laci case, with people vilifying Laci's stepfather and other relatives, all in the name of trying to create a reasonable doubt. In the beginning, it had nothing to do with their actually thinking Meredith might have done it, just that Jason might not have. All this is my opinion, based on watching the whole thing go down. I can't argue with anything you said. It's true that IS is a corporate entity and Scout's board is not. From a poster's perspective, however, do you honestly think that distinction is made? And it's true that Scout refuses to allow bashing of the Fishers. She does, however, allow bashing of Jason, the Youngs and the IS posters. I wasn't around when this case started, but your summary sounds reasonable and makes sense to me. If Jason is arrested, do you think those same tactics will be used at trial? It's not only that I *think* Jason is guilty. It's that he is the most logical suspect, and some of his actions before and after the murder indicate that he is the most probable killer. They have been mentioned several times over the past year and a half, but here are a few: Before: Calling Meredith to retrieve the printout for a VERY LATE anniversary or VERY EARLY Christmas gift Running the car off the road Getting a very large life insurance policy A continuing pattern of public disrespect of Michelle, from complaining to female co-workers that she didn't like to do certain things, to entering into a romantic "relationship" with one of her sorority sisters After: Silence Non-cooperation with the investigation Sequestering Cassidy from Michelle's relatives Lack of interest in claiming the aforementioned life insurance settlement Meredith cooperated from the beginning, had nothing to gain by her sister's death, and is statistically much less likely to be the killer. If it wasn't obvious before the LBLO, it should be after, that Meredith is NOT A SUSPECT in her sister's murder. Jason, OTOH, has had search warrants executed on his property, and the property of others with whom he has been living or otherwise connected. The fact that LE, though not specifically naming him a suspect, is watching and investigating him very closely, and NOT doing the same with Meredith frees us up to speculate in a different way than if there were no such indications.
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Post by janetruth on May 24, 2008 16:30:56 GMT -5
"As for saying nothing to the JIIs at IS, you probably missed it because those posts (and occasionally entire threads) were deleted shortly after I posted them."
That should tell you something right there.
The only time most of us take on the IS trolls is when they start in on Meredith and Linda. After all that those women have endured since Michelle's murder, I, for one, cannot stand to see them attacked, and lied about, day in and day out.
The trolls take a light-hearted myspace or facebook post from years before the murder, and stretch it to make Meredith out to be something she is obviously not.
How you can defend that is totally beyond me.
Freedom of speech is a fundamental right, I know, but there is no Constitutional freedom to libel.
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 16:37:43 GMT -5
Excellent post, JT. The one item "after" that really bugs me is his keeping Cassidy from Michelle's family. There is absolutely NO REASON for him to do that, unless she is talking and they can't control it. We have to remember the time the daycare called the police to their establishment. What was Cassidy saying that they had to call in the police? Shortly after that, Jason Lynn Young, murderer at large, took that beautiful child away to the hills of Brevard and the Young's have been trying to silence her ever since. I surmise that they are keeping Cassidy away from the Fisher's because their brainwashing tactics aren't working.
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Post by rpd on May 24, 2008 16:44:39 GMT -5
Excellent post, JT. The one item "after" that really bugs me is his keeping Cassidy from Michelle's family. There is absolutely NO REASON for him to do that, unless she is talking and they can't control it. We have to remember the time the daycare called the police to their establishment. What was Cassidy saying that they had to call in the police? Shortly after that, Jason Lynn Young, murderer at large, took that beautiful child away to the hills of Brevard and the Young's have been trying to silence her ever since. I surmise that they are keeping Cassidy away from the Fisher's because their brainwashing tactics aren't working. Refresh my memory petulant. I do recall someone saying Cassidy blurted out something about her birth father killing her Mom while at at the Brevard daycare.
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 16:48:14 GMT -5
Excellent post, JT. The one item "after" that really bugs me is his keeping Cassidy from Michelle's family. There is absolutely NO REASON for him to do that, unless she is talking and they can't control it. We have to remember the time the daycare called the police to their establishment. What was Cassidy saying that they had to call in the police? Shortly after that, Jason Lynn Young, murderer at large, took that beautiful child away to the hills of Brevard and the Young's have been trying to silence her ever since. I surmise that they are keeping Cassidy away from the Fisher's because their brainwashing tactics aren't working. Refresh my memory petulant. I do recall someone saying Cassidy blurted out something about her birth father killing her Mom while at at the Brevard daycare. I just remember reading something - I think it was at WS, very early on, that LE was called to daycare because of something Cassidy was saying. My recall is foggy, at best, but I do remember that.
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 16:49:13 GMT -5
raisin charlie, maybe? I think that was the poster that put that out there.
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Post by janetruth on May 24, 2008 16:49:21 GMT -5
Excellent post, JT. The one item "after" that really bugs me is his keeping Cassidy from Michelle's family. There is absolutely NO REASON for him to do that, unless she is talking and they can't control it. We have to remember the time the daycare called the police to their establishment. What was Cassidy saying that they had to call in the police? Shortly after that, Jason Lynn Young, murderer at large, took that beautiful child away to the hills of Brevard and the Young's have been trying to silence her ever since. I surmise that they are keeping Cassidy away from the Fisher's because their brainwashing tactics aren't working. Refresh my memory petulant. I do recall someone saying Cassidy blurted out something about her birth father killing her Mom while at at the Brevard daycare. This was at her Raleigh day care, around the time of the funeral. It was, of course, discounted as "rumour," but whoever had posted it at CTV (at the time) was very positive and very credible. ETA, it could have been WS. Of course, if it was, it's still there. I don't think they have a history of deletion.
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 16:55:10 GMT -5
Refresh my memory petulant. I do recall someone saying Cassidy blurted out something about her birth father killing her Mom while at at the Brevard daycare. This was at her Raleigh day care, around the time of the funeral. It was, of course, discounted as "rumour," but whoever had posted it at CTV (at the time) was very positive and very credible. ETA, it could have been WS. Of course, if it was, it's still there. I don't think they have a history of deletion. 'cept for that pesky "daddy did it" enhancement link.
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Post by rpd on May 24, 2008 17:01:29 GMT -5
Refresh my memory petulant. I do recall someone saying Cassidy blurted out something about her birth father killing her Mom while at at the Brevard daycare. This was at her Raleigh day care, around the time of the funeral. It was, of course, discounted as "rumour," but whoever had posted it at CTV (at the time) was very positive and very credible. ETA, it could have been WS. Of course, if it was, it's still there. I don't think they have a history of deletion. Yea , CW musta had a 'cougie moment' when she 'accidently' deleated most of the meaningful insider posts from the first few months.
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