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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 18:00:55 GMT -5
Oh dear! I see gojoKe is still trying to peddle "no trial". What's to become of the retired teacher when they take Jason Lynn Young away for murdering his beautiful wife and child? I envision a "Fatal Attraction" type moment... light on, light off...po' po' go jo
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Post by rpd on May 24, 2008 18:01:11 GMT -5
She was bludgeoned to death on the floor and the little girl came in the room (imo). He obviously had a very tight time-line and that was stretched to the last second with the cleanup and the child's care. Remember, I was told by one of his buds he was 1/2 late to the 'meeting', arriving at 10:30 am. That's possible, I know. But there's no proof that Cassidy came into the room until later. It's just not strong enough to be convincing unless you already believe he's guilty. If you want to believe Kim and gojo, there is solid evidence he tended to Cassidy. Remember the bloody hall bath with her tiny prints all over, but none in the bedroom or hall ? While in the master bath cleaning himself, CY walked back in to comfort her Mom. It is my opinion he then carried her in the hall bath and closed the door while he finished cleaning himself and changing clothes. He then cleaned her and put her back in her bed. No time left, he had to grab the jewelry and split.
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Post by Cardinal on May 24, 2008 18:08:03 GMT -5
That's possible, I know. But there's no proof that Cassidy came into the room until later. It's just not strong enough to be convincing unless you already believe he's guilty. If you want to believe Kim and gojo, there is solid evidence he tended to Cassidy. Remember the bloody hall bath with her tiny prints all over, but none in the bedroom or hall ? While in the master bath cleaning himself, CY walked back in to comfort her Mom. It is my opinion he then carried her in the hall bath and closed the door while he finished cleaning himself and changing clothes. He then cleaned her and put her back in her bed. No time left, he had to grab the jewelry and split. First of all, I don't believe anything Gojo says. So while your scenario may be correct, if it's based on Gojo's information, I'll reserve judgment on it. Second, I see from the post above that he has returned to Scout's, and I'm sure there are lots of questions for him. So I'll say goodnight. Have a good evening.
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Post by rpd on May 24, 2008 18:11:40 GMT -5
If you want to believe Kim and gojo, there is solid evidence he tended to Cassidy. Remember the bloody hall bath with her tiny prints all over, but none in the bedroom or hall ? While in the master bath cleaning himself, CY walked back in to comfort her Mom. It is my opinion he then carried her in the hall bath and closed the door while he finished cleaning himself and changing clothes. He then cleaned her and put her back in her bed. No time left, he had to grab the jewelry and split. First of all, I don't believe anything Gojo says. So while your scenario may be correct, if it's based on Gojo's information, I'll reserve judgment on it. Second, I see from the post above that he has returned to Scout's, and I'm sure there are lots of questions for him. So I'll say goodnight. Have a good evening. OK , I understand not believing gojo. How about big sis Kim ?
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 18:19:16 GMT -5
First of all, I don't believe anything Gojo says. So while your scenario may be correct, if it's based on Gojo's information, I'll reserve judgment on it. Second, I see from the post above that he has returned to Scout's, and I'm sure there are lots of questions for him. So I'll say goodnight. Have a good evening. OK , I understand not believing gojo. How about big sis Kim ? I think they have both been trying to rewrite history from day one on the boards. I stand by my tagline about gojo and as for kim, I just don't think she's a nice person from her JTF days at CTV. I'll lump her in with the rafter, cuz I can! edit - Add to that, I do believe Kim had something to do with the murder after the fact.
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Post by rpd on May 24, 2008 18:22:03 GMT -5
OK , I understand not believing gojo. How about big sis Kim ? I think they have both been trying to rewrite history from day one on the boards. I stand by my tagline about gojo and as for kim, I just don't think she's a nice person from her JTF days at CTV. I'll lump her in with the rafter, cuz I can! Yes, their theory backfired , as it originally was supposed to point toward Meredith. Now that she is obviously cleared, that little scenario can only point to Jason Lynn Young.
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 18:25:37 GMT -5
I think they have both been trying to rewrite history from day one on the boards. I stand by my tagline about gojo and as for kim, I just don't think she's a nice person from her JTF days at CTV. I'll lump her in with the rafter, cuz I can! Yes, their theory backfired , as it originally was supposed to point toward Meredith. Now that she is obviously cleared, that little scenario can only point to Jason Lynn Young. I've never understood going after Meredith. Her affect on the 9-1-1 call was obvious horror and confusion. It takes a purely evil person to go after someone like that. Like JT said, it happened to Ron Grantski during the Peterson West case, it will happen in future cases, but I just don't understand the mentality behind that.
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Post by rosebud on May 24, 2008 18:25:38 GMT -5
I've decided to respond to several questions and comments that were addressed to me after I left. Yes, rosebud, I've seen the reprehensible posts at RU and CS about Meredith and Linda, and I find them disgusting. But I've also seen the purple puppet posts at Scout's, and they're not much better. And yes, I took exception to some comments made at IS about the LBLO, and I said so at the time. As for game playing, taunting and baiting, I think that's pretty much tit for tat. I believe Bud Wiser took the last round. Speaking of Bud - RPD, people have the right to think whatever they want, for whatever reasons. They may not be correct, their motives may not be pure, but you can't forbid people to think something. And I'll give you a scoop - it may be only a handful of people now, but if Jason is arrested and that board is still open, it's going to get a whole lot worse. As for the JIIs dominating the IS board, how is that different from the JDIs dominating Scout's board? On one board, MF is vilified; on the other, Jason and the IS posters are vilified. Maybe the JDIs think that because they're convinced Jason is guilty, it's okay to vilify him. But the last time I checked, he hadn't even been arrested, let alone convicted, and the way I understand our legal system, he's entitled to a presumption of innocence. And in response to all who have issues with CW, I will say this: All of you will remember that, at the end of last year, it was doubtful the board would survive the transition to TruTV. They decided to keep the board (and CW), but CW posted at the time that it was a trial period. Think what you will about CW's moderating skills; that's fine. My concern is that they will shut down IS altogether if it becomes an issue for them. Maybe that's okay with you. But there are thousands of posters there who have formed bonds and attachments, and I think they deserve some consideration in this, too. Finally, rosebud, I'm very much afraid you're right about the schism being irreparable. So what happens? Do the 2 sides continue to go at it? Does that accomplish something? In all seriousness, please explain that to me. Because I just don't see that it changes anything - particularly the outcome of this case. PS: Petulant, I'M not the drama queen. I was out in the beautiful fresh air for the afternoon. In response to your first paragraph I have a hard time reconciling how you could consider any of those posters worthy of your respect. Kat's sarcastic post about JY wearing sunglasses, red tie and flying off before he was recognized at the LBLO ? Did she not also refer to it as a circus? To be fair, I never got into the whole purple posts, but that's just me. I may be reading between the lines incorrectly, but I think your entire beef is with RPD. I feel differently about him than you do. He feels passionately about this case and doesn't hide it. The crew at IS feels no passion. It's not about MY, it's about them . They could care less about MY and that is obvious. It's all a game to them. You actually stated "their motives may not be pure". You see it. I just don't understand how you can sanction it. I know I can't. As for your inside scoop that things will get worse after an arrest, I'm wondering why you would want that to continue ? I have no interest in that and I would expect the old , solid posters wouldn't either. I see no campaign to destroy the boards at IS. My feeling from reading since the change over is that the message boards ain't that important to the powers that be anymore. That is quite obvious to me based on the CW they have left in charge. I hate to say it, but I think the place is short timing it. I think the thousands of posters should unite and be proactive and settle in somewhere else before the shoe drops. It's not what RPD and the so-called JII's have done, it's management. As for the irreparable rift ? It has no outcome on this case.
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Post by rosebud on May 24, 2008 18:27:36 GMT -5
That would be saying that no one is guilty of killing Michelle and her baby because everyone is presumed innocent. I know that someone did. That person is guilty in my mind right now. They have been guilty since the moment they killed her. If the person never got caught and convicted, that person would still be guilty. I think it's highly likely that person is Jason but I would need a lot more evidence if I was sitting on the jury. Since I'm not, I think he's probably guilty just based on what I do know. I don't see the presumption of innocence as being equal to no one is guilty. I see it as meaning you have to start with that presumption and then determine whether the evidence to the contrary is sufficient to override that presumption. I know there are a lot of "insiders" on this case, and, undoubtedly, they know things I don't. I only know what has been made public. And that amount of evidence, for me, is not sufficient to override the presumption of innocence. If you know enough to believe he's guilty, fine. But I'm not convinced. There is not one poster that thinks JY is guilty that has ever said, based on the info we have, they could convict him in a court of law.
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Post by rosebud on May 24, 2008 18:29:35 GMT -5
Game playing, taunting and baiting ? Bud was responding to the insane posts by June and MimiMutton insinuating Meredith and a male beat Michelle to death. Call it taunting or baiting all you want, but Bud was only correcting yet another sick lie about the victim's sister. What about that is hard for you to understand ? Posters have the absolute right to side with Jason Young and claim he is innocent. However, it is my opinion they don't have the right to post libelous lies about the victim's innocent sister. It is a fact that Jason Young is being investigated for this murder, not Meredith Fisher. Nothing about Bud's motivation is hard for me to understand. And I don't think anyone has the right to post libelous lies about anyone. What I don't think Bud understands is that not everyone who posts on that board feels the same degree of loyalty to the sister that he does. So maybe you could pass along to him my caution about that board getting active again. Because posters who show up there for the first time aren't going to feel any loyalty to MF at all. But you can't control that. I'm seeing control written all over your posts.
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Post by rosebud on May 24, 2008 18:31:57 GMT -5
I snipped because I want to address just this point. One difference between the two boards is that IS is a corporate entity, with no stated leanings. Scout's board is Scout's. Her own rules and point of view apply. she is not obligated to present or allow a "fair and balanced" discussion. She opened it for case discussion in a troll-free environment. IOW, she vetts the registrations. Scout allows differences of opinion, as long as they are expressed with respect. She has sources she can't name or link, but who are quite believable. She is very fair. The one thing she will not tolerate is bashing of the Fishers. The only reason the IS trolls started that garbage was because they couldn't handle those of us who have followed quite a few of these "eraser" killings immediately zooming in on Jason as the probably perp. Statistically, he's the most likely, and, if you read up on some other cases, you will see the similarities that jump out at us, waving big red flags. The trolls, led by members of IUPG organizations, troll the boards, defending all these guys because it's their crusade to do so. The "insiders," with no other cases to compare, just want to defend their Jason. The whole thing against Meredith started with these people completely ignoring common sense and casting around for someone to attack, the same way (in their eyes) Jason was being attacked. Tit for tat. The differences (Meredith talking, Jason not, Meredith having nothing to gain, Jason having a lot, etc.) mean nothing to them. The idea was: Jason is under attack; let's find somebody else we can counterattack. It happened in the Laci case, with people vilifying Laci's stepfather and other relatives, all in the name of trying to create a reasonable doubt. In the beginning, it had nothing to do with their actually thinking Meredith might have done it, just that Jason might not have. All this is my opinion, based on watching the whole thing go down. I can't argue with anything you said. It's true that IS is a corporate entity and Scout's board is not. From a poster's perspective, however, do you honestly think that distinction is made? And it's true that Scout refuses to allow bashing of the Fishers. She does, however, allow bashing of Jason, the Youngs and the IS posters. I wasn't around when this case started, but your summary sounds reasonable and makes sense to me. If Jason is arrested, do you think those same tactics will be used at trial? Key comment: you weren't around when this case started. This colors your analysis.
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Post by rosebud on May 24, 2008 18:32:54 GMT -5
Petulant ! Thanks for the spelling correction, you won't believe how long I wrestled with that one before I posted LOL and still wrong ! You're welcome! I just hope I spelled it right ;D Both spellings are correct. ;D
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Post by petulant on May 24, 2008 18:36:38 GMT -5
Nothing about Bud's motivation is hard for me to understand. And I don't think anyone has the right to post libelous lies about anyone. What I don't think Bud understands is that not everyone who posts on that board feels the same degree of loyalty to the sister that he does. So maybe you could pass along to him my caution about that board getting active again. Because posters who show up there for the first time aren't going to feel any loyalty to MF at all. But you can't control that. I'm seeing control written all over your posts. You see control, I see troll. Sorry, just call 'em as I see 'em. I could never convict Jason on what we know, but after all these months to claim you're a fence sitter is beyond ludicrous. Those splinters have got to hurt! edit - sorry, not you, rosebud, but the one you were responding to. Not sure that was clear in my post and I was responding to a couple of yours in one fell swoop. eh, I'm hopeless tonight! And thanks for verifying the spelling bee word! PS - hope you enjoyed the air, I know I did!
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Post by Cardinal on May 24, 2008 19:09:07 GMT -5
Nothing about Bud's motivation is hard for me to understand. And I don't think anyone has the right to post libelous lies about anyone. What I don't think Bud understands is that not everyone who posts on that board feels the same degree of loyalty to the sister that he does. So maybe you could pass along to him my caution about that board getting active again. Because posters who show up there for the first time aren't going to feel any loyalty to MF at all. But you can't control that. I'm seeing control written all over your posts. You're wrong. About all of it. But you and everyone else can think what they like. You see, I believe in that. You know what's interesting? I am treated better at IS when they disagree with me. At least they don't patronize me with holier-than-thou BS. But why are you even here, responding to me? Gojo's at Scout's. Hurry, you don't want to miss anything.
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Post by Cardinal on May 24, 2008 19:12:53 GMT -5
But you can't control that. I'm seeing control written all over your posts. You see control, I see troll. Sorry, just call 'em as I see 'em. I could never convict Jason on what we know, but after all these months to claim you're a fence sitter is beyond ludicrous. Those splinters have got to hurt! edit - sorry, not you, rosebud, but the one you were responding to. Not sure that was clear in my post and I was responding to a couple of yours in one fell swoop. eh, I'm hopeless tonight! And thanks for verifying the spelling bee word! PS - hope you enjoyed the air, I know I did! Troll? Okay. Whatever. Fact is, when I leave, which is now, you'll be over here talking to yourself again. Enjoy.
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